Also I'm tired of people trying to tell men we're not supposed enjoy anything, least of all the female form. Personally, I find nothing on this planet more alluring, more mystical than the pure beauty of the feminine.
Few spectacles in nature come close. Speaking of nature, there is nothing more natural in the world than a man to admire a woman. Anyone who disagrees...fine. You're a poorer soul.
... is this a trick question? This entire comments section is filled to the brim with whining that a character isn't sexy enough. You're acting like people are telling you that you can't enjoy anything just because they made something that doesn't meet your standards.
OK. I'm going to break this down and then be done. Because you either actually don't understand OR you're just one of those internet people that likes to argue just to argue and I'm not going to engage in that type of behavior.
What does the "entire comment section" have to do with me?
I'm not whining about anything. I simply said that I agreed with the article writer, when he makes the overall point; that The Weapon's design was a bit awkward and blocky and that there has to be some happy medium b/t over the top sexy and purposefully blocky. That's what "Agreed",was agreeing to.
Next. I said nothing about "my standards", or standards at all. You are supposing to know me and imposing your own words and thoughts that don't actually exist in my post.
Last. I'm not "acting like" anything. There IS a section of people out there that seem to believe men shouldn't look or want to look at women. And my point is women are beautiful and are meant to be looked at and desired. I put no quantifications on that. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And it's not wrong to behold and admire beauty, or want to behold and admire it, anymore than it is wrong to behold a sunset.
You can either clearly see my opinion and politely agree or disagree. Or you can try to twist my words more in an attempt to argue with a stranger. Either way it makes little difference to me. Good day sir.
You're contradicting yourself by claiming to have said nothing about your standards. You literally just said in the previous paragraph that the Weapon's design was "too blocky" or even "purposefully blocky" (which in and of itself assumes the designer was intentionally making something you wouldn't like) and that the ideal design is sexier. I didn't assume a thing.
Women are people first, dude. Beauty does not equal existing to be looked at. Or being tailored to your "happy medium" of sex appeal. You are free to admire, quit pretending that right is under attack just because you don't admire everything. You think the sunset exists to look pretty just because it is pretty? Like somebody tweaked the design until they liked it?
I'm honestly disappointed they pretty much reconned Cortana's hot and sexy appearance that she kept for hali 5 after 4. Yeah, her sexiness wasn't as high during the OG trilogy. However, she wasn't as "flat" as we see her now during the memory echoes. The weapon has an okay bum, but virtually no hips. I don't mind the new ai being ng given a suit, but they didn't have to make her so... Unfeminine. Yeah, characters being masculine is the obsession for HH Ali: infinite as we see with the multiplayer character customization. However, that shouldn't affect in game characters. Especially, AIs. Unfortunately, sexualization of women in entertainment is currently being complained about by most feminists. The asexual or jealous feminists who don't have the mega-sexy bodies even more than the normal feminists. Sadly, companies listen to their insecurities more than anything else. That is why certain animes are now being censored in the USA, after all. I might be mostly wrong, but that definitely plays into why women in entertainment are made the reverse of sexy or just mostly/fully clothed. Reboot lara is sexier than of lara because she looks realistic and other reasons. Imo, her sexiest appearance is shadow of the tomb raider lara. The point is, if the devs truly wanted to return to more of an of aesthetic for the latest game, the could've kept Cortana as curvy and feminine while still being as slender as Cortana in halo 2 & 3. That goes for the weapon as well.
i mean the age rating for the halo franchise is 16 and i am 16 and seeing cortana really grossed me out. im glad they put clothes on weapon and cortana in halo infinite because people who play the game dont play to see an almost nude ai and it makes the ai look unprofessional and stupid but putting clothes on them look smart and more kid friendly then the past games. also i agree with the femininsts bits in your comments but what i dont agree is the cortana bit. im a male.
i wasn't repulsed by female nudity when I was your age, so you must be raised by an insecure family, psychologically rebelling a sexually aware and secure family, and/or incredibly and eternally asexual. i should have said "most guys" considering the fact there are a few that would prefer all nudity erased from everything everywhere. i would edit my comment and put that in, but i can't. also, Cortana has always been a sexual character regardless of clothing. AIs make themselves appear in a way that reflects their personality. the weapon wore a uniform because she was focused on duty and had no interests beside that. something i suspect you loved about her. Cortanas mega-sexy appearance in halo 4 reflected her feelings for John, but she couldn't exactly say them so showing them through physical alterations was her best course of action. also the halo games aren't meant for 16 year olds. the games that are rated M for Mature, like halo, are meant for 18 year olds. the games done like halo wars, are probably for 16 year olds considering the gameplay. the main games and ODST too violent for 16 year olds according to the game rating system.
I was raised in a good Catholic Christian family that are mature so your first point is complete rubbish but the relationship between cortana and John is ridiculous as now 343 industries makes the games revolve all around cortana instead of saving humanity like the other games. Also in the UK the age rating for All games is pegi 16 so the games are meant for 16 year olds. It's probably normal in America with nudity and everything but in the UK it's a lot different
catholics, in my opinion, are insanely obsessed with chastity. they're very nearly puritans or muslim with the anti-sexuality mindset. so, have fun living the life of insanity. i suspect you will. as a pagan that focuses his belief primarily in the Hecate/Hekete from Green and Roman mythology... we are natural enemies. your people murdered paganism. something i will never forgive. in any case, 343 was created specifically for halo, and the games aren't focused on cortana. if so, then she would've been a lot more present in halo 5. halo 4 was supposed to be her final days so they were giving her an explosive finale. i suspect they decided to 180 her death in halo five as they weren't sure how to do a game involving john without also involving Cortana. so, her being portrayed as the villain was a surprise to be sure. if you don't like the halo games after halo 3 and reach... then don't bother playing any of them. they're not going to turn cortana into a piece of cardboard just to appease catholic insecurity. As you're inevitably going want to go on a tangent defending your religion, as all overly religious types do, don't bother. i'm going to start ignoring email notifications of this thread from now on. I have no desire to partake in a conversation that's going to end up a verbal war.
*For those who haven't played the Halo: Infinite campaign and don't want spoilers, ignore this comment/reply*
The Weapon wasn't that evil, though. she wasn't that jealous, either. Just annoyed about being left in the dark and unhappy with John betraying her. as we find out, Cortana wasn't evil either. She just saw the bigger picture and had a plan far extensive than what humans could comprehend. Of course, she could've explained it to the UNSC and they wouldn't hate her so much. Well, not as much as they did. They would still hate that Cortana escaped death and found a cure for rampancy. Why? It was new, different, and out of their control. At least, that's how I see it.
that makes sense. it just seemed one way to me. everyone sees and hears things differently. people always make assumptions about what others say or do and their reasons behind the words/actions. That's why there's always two sides to every story. that is the same for this here thread.
Personally, I think of Cortana as an evolution. She was created to serve a sole purpose: Protect and serve the Master Chief. How does that fit in, you ask? Think about the bond that develops between the two as the game series progresses. Wouldn't she attempt to present herself as the most pleasing form for Him? And as that bond develops, and intimacy (not physical) comes in to play, would she not desire to appear in a pleasing form even more so as their consciousnesses join even more?
I'm not saying blatant sexuality is the basis of relationships, but when you truly care for someone, don't you want to be as appealing to them as you can?
Because "The Weapon" is a different instantiation of the Cortana construct, it makes sense that she would choose a different appearance, albeit only slightly different on account of being based on the same original neural network. "The Weapon" is dressed more like a female soldier would be, which makes sense when you consider she was instantiated for a combat role, whereas Cortana was instantiated for an intelligence-gathering role. (in-game, Cortana was instantiated by the Office of Naval Intelligence while The Weapon was instantiated by the United Nations Space Command.)
In the real world, yes, it's almost certain that the real motivation for toning-down her appearance was to reduce the amount of screeching about female sexual objectification in videogames, but it also makes sense in the game's storyline, so I'll allow it. It's not like there's a lack of sexy naked women for me to look at on the internet. Some of them are even painted to look like Cortana. I'll survive.
i kind of wish they have a button in settings to make cortana look more presentable and professional and not nude in the past games and also im 16 and i cant play this in front of my parents even thought the content and language isnt bad. it was just cortana that was the reason
We can't have nice things because every time a new design is tried out, gamers are outraged if it isn't sexy enough.
The Weapon began as a very purpose-made piece of military hardware while Cortana was made as a pinnacle of sentient AI. If you don't like the Weapon's aesthetic, whatever, that's fair, but you're trying so hard to make a problem out of nothing. Consider for one moment that the world isn't out to tear down all that you love whenever somebody tries a new idea.
Have you read reviews of...anything...in the past decade or so? The world is absolutely out to tear down everything you love. If it's new, it's disruptive; if it's old, it's problematic. You aren't allowed to like anything anymore without being accused of supporting the worst imagined characteristics of whoever created that thing.
Yes, I've bothered to read reviews, most of which don't even remotely align with your complaints. Though, I do remember an article crying about a new character not being sexy enough for them. It wasn't even a game that was out at the time, the author just decided it wasn't okay and that what they stood for was being attacked because not everyone liked what they liked. Some readers even determined that it had to be associated with "screeching" to accuse the creators of supporting the worst imagined characteristics of anyone who preferred it.
If most reviews that you've read for things you're interested in haven't involved large numbers of people complaining and demanding changes for one reason or another, then you have been blessed, perhaps singularly so. And yes, I see what you did there, but I'm ignoring it.
No worries. It wasn't out of my way, since I was already replying. I just didn't want you to come away with the impression that you were smart enough to put one over on me so easily.
Yes, your strategy of slinking away and trying to hide the obvious lack of a counterargument is so clearly showing me I couldn't put one over on you. With every post amounting to "nuh-uh" you are truly wiping out that impression.
Can't speak to every aspect of the article, but I'll bite down on the bit I have the most opinion on, with Lara Croft's evolution v Cortana and the whole "T&A" part. The good of a character's physical design is all about how it is and isn't used, so it is possible to have a very busty character without it being demeaning if done right. The spectrum of women's bodies that is permissible has grown more and more narrow, and it isn't for the better at all. You can have a significantly larger than average bust size and people you've just met will ask whether you have backpains and if you've ever considered getting a reduction even if you're perfectly comfortable and physically capable as you are. Even if you haven't tried it, I imagine most could agree that is an uncomfortable experience to receive. And nowadays even the portrayal of characters has to be made as petite and "normalised" as possible, rather than using those kinds of character designs constructively, or leaving them unaddressed entirely as a non-issue to the character themselves and the world around them. The current trend of media and games to ultimately just have one physique for women with the occasional outlier being more about the whole weight-image culture that exists in various spaces of the internet, is ultimately a dismissive and mistaken attempt at appeasing a vocal outrage minority while completely misrepresenting the diversity in people's actual physique. And you could definitely write a similarly lengthy post saying the exact same thing for men at this point.
You criticse the replacement of Cortana for being too safe, boring, devoid of any sex appeal, but you go on to praise latest reboot Lara Croft who pretty much entirely was robbed of her sex appeal aswell, made safe with average proportions, no sexy outfits, little to no curves and her breasts got smaller and smaller to becoming just B cups in latest release. Thats what i call over correction. She already was perfectly fine in in the first reboot of the series during 2006 - 2008, sexy, but not over the top sexy.
Clearly you have zero reading comprehension. He was talking about the blockiness and plainness of the character design, not the sexualization or the lack thereof you eastern pig.
There's a lot more to old Cortana than body paint look of Halo 4. She has personalty, wit and with the occasional ironic or sarcastic quip she was the constant loyal companion of Master Chief on all four initial Halo games and as he progress to save the human race, Earth and the Galaxy. It was her voice that guided John and the player across the game and its hordes of enemies and the seemingly impossible odds. It wasn't Just the Spartan that saved the day , it was the partnership between him and Cortana.
If they are going with a new AI they should not have made a cheap knock off of Cortana that only will remind people how superior Cortana was in every way, unless that is intentional to pave the way for her comeback. And considering how the studio defended her woke redesign for Halo 5 I don't think we are getting her as she used to be if at all.
She is a copy , the more politically correct version. Their interactions aren't as good as the original banter/story of Cortana and Master Chief. My point stands confirmed.
Agreed.
Also I'm tired of people trying to tell men we're not supposed enjoy anything, least of all the female form. Personally, I find nothing on this planet more alluring, more mystical than the pure beauty of the feminine.
Few spectacles in nature come close. Speaking of nature, there is nothing more natural in the world than a man to admire a woman. Anyone who disagrees...fine. You're a poorer soul.
Sure. But stop whining when not every single body is hot enough for you.
Who's whining?
... is this a trick question? This entire comments section is filled to the brim with whining that a character isn't sexy enough. You're acting like people are telling you that you can't enjoy anything just because they made something that doesn't meet your standards.
OK. I'm going to break this down and then be done. Because you either actually don't understand OR you're just one of those internet people that likes to argue just to argue and I'm not going to engage in that type of behavior.
What does the "entire comment section" have to do with me?
I'm not whining about anything. I simply said that I agreed with the article writer, when he makes the overall point; that The Weapon's design was a bit awkward and blocky and that there has to be some happy medium b/t over the top sexy and purposefully blocky. That's what "Agreed",was agreeing to.
Next. I said nothing about "my standards", or standards at all. You are supposing to know me and imposing your own words and thoughts that don't actually exist in my post.
Last. I'm not "acting like" anything. There IS a section of people out there that seem to believe men shouldn't look or want to look at women. And my point is women are beautiful and are meant to be looked at and desired. I put no quantifications on that. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And it's not wrong to behold and admire beauty, or want to behold and admire it, anymore than it is wrong to behold a sunset.
You can either clearly see my opinion and politely agree or disagree. Or you can try to twist my words more in an attempt to argue with a stranger. Either way it makes little difference to me. Good day sir.
You're contradicting yourself by claiming to have said nothing about your standards. You literally just said in the previous paragraph that the Weapon's design was "too blocky" or even "purposefully blocky" (which in and of itself assumes the designer was intentionally making something you wouldn't like) and that the ideal design is sexier. I didn't assume a thing.
Women are people first, dude. Beauty does not equal existing to be looked at. Or being tailored to your "happy medium" of sex appeal. You are free to admire, quit pretending that right is under attack just because you don't admire everything. You think the sunset exists to look pretty just because it is pretty? Like somebody tweaked the design until they liked it?
I'm honestly disappointed they pretty much reconned Cortana's hot and sexy appearance that she kept for hali 5 after 4. Yeah, her sexiness wasn't as high during the OG trilogy. However, she wasn't as "flat" as we see her now during the memory echoes. The weapon has an okay bum, but virtually no hips. I don't mind the new ai being ng given a suit, but they didn't have to make her so... Unfeminine. Yeah, characters being masculine is the obsession for HH Ali: infinite as we see with the multiplayer character customization. However, that shouldn't affect in game characters. Especially, AIs. Unfortunately, sexualization of women in entertainment is currently being complained about by most feminists. The asexual or jealous feminists who don't have the mega-sexy bodies even more than the normal feminists. Sadly, companies listen to their insecurities more than anything else. That is why certain animes are now being censored in the USA, after all. I might be mostly wrong, but that definitely plays into why women in entertainment are made the reverse of sexy or just mostly/fully clothed. Reboot lara is sexier than of lara because she looks realistic and other reasons. Imo, her sexiest appearance is shadow of the tomb raider lara. The point is, if the devs truly wanted to return to more of an of aesthetic for the latest game, the could've kept Cortana as curvy and feminine while still being as slender as Cortana in halo 2 & 3. That goes for the weapon as well.
i mean the age rating for the halo franchise is 16 and i am 16 and seeing cortana really grossed me out. im glad they put clothes on weapon and cortana in halo infinite because people who play the game dont play to see an almost nude ai and it makes the ai look unprofessional and stupid but putting clothes on them look smart and more kid friendly then the past games. also i agree with the femininsts bits in your comments but what i dont agree is the cortana bit. im a male.
i wasn't repulsed by female nudity when I was your age, so you must be raised by an insecure family, psychologically rebelling a sexually aware and secure family, and/or incredibly and eternally asexual. i should have said "most guys" considering the fact there are a few that would prefer all nudity erased from everything everywhere. i would edit my comment and put that in, but i can't. also, Cortana has always been a sexual character regardless of clothing. AIs make themselves appear in a way that reflects their personality. the weapon wore a uniform because she was focused on duty and had no interests beside that. something i suspect you loved about her. Cortanas mega-sexy appearance in halo 4 reflected her feelings for John, but she couldn't exactly say them so showing them through physical alterations was her best course of action. also the halo games aren't meant for 16 year olds. the games that are rated M for Mature, like halo, are meant for 18 year olds. the games done like halo wars, are probably for 16 year olds considering the gameplay. the main games and ODST too violent for 16 year olds according to the game rating system.
I was raised in a good Catholic Christian family that are mature so your first point is complete rubbish but the relationship between cortana and John is ridiculous as now 343 industries makes the games revolve all around cortana instead of saving humanity like the other games. Also in the UK the age rating for All games is pegi 16 so the games are meant for 16 year olds. It's probably normal in America with nudity and everything but in the UK it's a lot different
catholics, in my opinion, are insanely obsessed with chastity. they're very nearly puritans or muslim with the anti-sexuality mindset. so, have fun living the life of insanity. i suspect you will. as a pagan that focuses his belief primarily in the Hecate/Hekete from Green and Roman mythology... we are natural enemies. your people murdered paganism. something i will never forgive. in any case, 343 was created specifically for halo, and the games aren't focused on cortana. if so, then she would've been a lot more present in halo 5. halo 4 was supposed to be her final days so they were giving her an explosive finale. i suspect they decided to 180 her death in halo five as they weren't sure how to do a game involving john without also involving Cortana. so, her being portrayed as the villain was a surprise to be sure. if you don't like the halo games after halo 3 and reach... then don't bother playing any of them. they're not going to turn cortana into a piece of cardboard just to appease catholic insecurity. As you're inevitably going want to go on a tangent defending your religion, as all overly religious types do, don't bother. i'm going to start ignoring email notifications of this thread from now on. I have no desire to partake in a conversation that's going to end up a verbal war.
I apologize for the rambling/extensive comment. I just at had a lot to say on the matter.
I wouldn't say "the Weapon doesn't make me hard enough because of evil jealous women" has a lot of substance to it.
*For those who haven't played the Halo: Infinite campaign and don't want spoilers, ignore this comment/reply*
The Weapon wasn't that evil, though. she wasn't that jealous, either. Just annoyed about being left in the dark and unhappy with John betraying her. as we find out, Cortana wasn't evil either. She just saw the bigger picture and had a plan far extensive than what humans could comprehend. Of course, she could've explained it to the UNSC and they wouldn't hate her so much. Well, not as much as they did. They would still hate that Cortana escaped death and found a cure for rampancy. Why? It was new, different, and out of their control. At least, that's how I see it.
Oh, I wasn't referring to any of the game characters with that. I apologize for the confusion.
that makes sense. it just seemed one way to me. everyone sees and hears things differently. people always make assumptions about what others say or do and their reasons behind the words/actions. That's why there's always two sides to every story. that is the same for this here thread.
Personally, I think of Cortana as an evolution. She was created to serve a sole purpose: Protect and serve the Master Chief. How does that fit in, you ask? Think about the bond that develops between the two as the game series progresses. Wouldn't she attempt to present herself as the most pleasing form for Him? And as that bond develops, and intimacy (not physical) comes in to play, would she not desire to appear in a pleasing form even more so as their consciousnesses join even more?
I'm not saying blatant sexuality is the basis of relationships, but when you truly care for someone, don't you want to be as appealing to them as you can?
Anyways, rant over. Point stated. Enjoy.
Because "The Weapon" is a different instantiation of the Cortana construct, it makes sense that she would choose a different appearance, albeit only slightly different on account of being based on the same original neural network. "The Weapon" is dressed more like a female soldier would be, which makes sense when you consider she was instantiated for a combat role, whereas Cortana was instantiated for an intelligence-gathering role. (in-game, Cortana was instantiated by the Office of Naval Intelligence while The Weapon was instantiated by the United Nations Space Command.)
In the real world, yes, it's almost certain that the real motivation for toning-down her appearance was to reduce the amount of screeching about female sexual objectification in videogames, but it also makes sense in the game's storyline, so I'll allow it. It's not like there's a lack of sexy naked women for me to look at on the internet. Some of them are even painted to look like Cortana. I'll survive.
i kind of wish they have a button in settings to make cortana look more presentable and professional and not nude in the past games and also im 16 and i cant play this in front of my parents even thought the content and language isnt bad. it was just cortana that was the reason
Your parents sound stuffy. You only have two years left, then you can move out.
We can't have nice things because every time a new design is tried out, gamers are outraged if it isn't sexy enough.
The Weapon began as a very purpose-made piece of military hardware while Cortana was made as a pinnacle of sentient AI. If you don't like the Weapon's aesthetic, whatever, that's fair, but you're trying so hard to make a problem out of nothing. Consider for one moment that the world isn't out to tear down all that you love whenever somebody tries a new idea.
Have you read reviews of...anything...in the past decade or so? The world is absolutely out to tear down everything you love. If it's new, it's disruptive; if it's old, it's problematic. You aren't allowed to like anything anymore without being accused of supporting the worst imagined characteristics of whoever created that thing.
Yes, I've bothered to read reviews, most of which don't even remotely align with your complaints. Though, I do remember an article crying about a new character not being sexy enough for them. It wasn't even a game that was out at the time, the author just decided it wasn't okay and that what they stood for was being attacked because not everyone liked what they liked. Some readers even determined that it had to be associated with "screeching" to accuse the creators of supporting the worst imagined characteristics of anyone who preferred it.
If most reviews that you've read for things you're interested in haven't involved large numbers of people complaining and demanding changes for one reason or another, then you have been blessed, perhaps singularly so. And yes, I see what you did there, but I'm ignoring it.
Thank you for going out of your way to tell me you're ignoring it. Very convincing. Shocking move, too.
No worries. It wasn't out of my way, since I was already replying. I just didn't want you to come away with the impression that you were smart enough to put one over on me so easily.
Yes, your strategy of slinking away and trying to hide the obvious lack of a counterargument is so clearly showing me I couldn't put one over on you. With every post amounting to "nuh-uh" you are truly wiping out that impression.
Can't speak to every aspect of the article, but I'll bite down on the bit I have the most opinion on, with Lara Croft's evolution v Cortana and the whole "T&A" part. The good of a character's physical design is all about how it is and isn't used, so it is possible to have a very busty character without it being demeaning if done right. The spectrum of women's bodies that is permissible has grown more and more narrow, and it isn't for the better at all. You can have a significantly larger than average bust size and people you've just met will ask whether you have backpains and if you've ever considered getting a reduction even if you're perfectly comfortable and physically capable as you are. Even if you haven't tried it, I imagine most could agree that is an uncomfortable experience to receive. And nowadays even the portrayal of characters has to be made as petite and "normalised" as possible, rather than using those kinds of character designs constructively, or leaving them unaddressed entirely as a non-issue to the character themselves and the world around them. The current trend of media and games to ultimately just have one physique for women with the occasional outlier being more about the whole weight-image culture that exists in various spaces of the internet, is ultimately a dismissive and mistaken attempt at appeasing a vocal outrage minority while completely misrepresenting the diversity in people's actual physique. And you could definitely write a similarly lengthy post saying the exact same thing for men at this point.
You criticse the replacement of Cortana for being too safe, boring, devoid of any sex appeal, but you go on to praise latest reboot Lara Croft who pretty much entirely was robbed of her sex appeal aswell, made safe with average proportions, no sexy outfits, little to no curves and her breasts got smaller and smaller to becoming just B cups in latest release. Thats what i call over correction. She already was perfectly fine in in the first reboot of the series during 2006 - 2008, sexy, but not over the top sexy.
So which way western man ?
Clearly you have zero reading comprehension. He was talking about the blockiness and plainness of the character design, not the sexualization or the lack thereof you eastern pig.
There's a lot more to old Cortana than body paint look of Halo 4. She has personalty, wit and with the occasional ironic or sarcastic quip she was the constant loyal companion of Master Chief on all four initial Halo games and as he progress to save the human race, Earth and the Galaxy. It was her voice that guided John and the player across the game and its hordes of enemies and the seemingly impossible odds. It wasn't Just the Spartan that saved the day , it was the partnership between him and Cortana.
If they are going with a new AI they should not have made a cheap knock off of Cortana that only will remind people how superior Cortana was in every way, unless that is intentional to pave the way for her comeback. And considering how the studio defended her woke redesign for Halo 5 I don't think we are getting her as she used to be if at all.
Curious to know what you think of Cortana's "cheap knockoff" now that we've actually gotten to play the game.
She is a copy , the more politically correct version. Their interactions aren't as good as the original banter/story of Cortana and Master Chief. My point stands confirmed.