Sorry Erik. This is most definitely NOT a win for democracy.
There are certain rights, like the right to own slaves, that should NOT be subject to the whim of state governments.
Forced pregnancy and childbirth are nothing but enslavement of women as birthing slaves. A tradition deeply connected to slavery as slave owners would empregnate their women and girl slaves for profit.
And let's not forget wealthy, mostly white, pregnant women will ALWAYS get any abortion they want.... to 9 months if they so desire.
It's poor women of color who will once again be the victims. The same ones that disproportionately die in childbirth.
Almost no one is talking about the devastating, sometimes permanent, medical consequences of childbirth--- something no MAN would allow against his will.
It doesn't have to be a "win" for democracy. That is far from my point. This is MORE democracy, however. Roe v Wade was a decision made by a handful of judges. Now the issue of abortion is returning to the voters and the states. That is more democratic even if it also means more people have their rights infringed upon. Democracy doesn't equal more rights. A true democracy simply means the will of the majority. Majority rules often OFTEN infringes on rights of the minority and individual.
And yes, wealthy women will have the option to go wherever. Even middle class women. Here in AZ we have Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico all within driving distance. Poor people always pay the higher price.
But again, this is the trouble with democracies. The court made a rule that it later overturned. If we want abortion rights enshrined in our public life we need to vote for leaders who will make changes to the Constitution and to state constitutions. That's the only way to make it stick.
My friend’s a doctor and performs up to 3 incest-related abortions on underage females a week. On a personal level, having an A leaves an emotional scar that never heals. My only comfort comes from knowing how shitty my life would be with an unwanted child.
This is issue is one that is very complicated for any dialogue. But also necessary.
I do believe in compromise. Because society is a contract, and that means to acknowledge laws are never gonna be a complete reflection of our own morals. The limits on abortion are a compromise, the idea that you are actually having to fake a decision and there is no good correct option.
Forcing our will in someone else body is wrong, but there is a moment in when life demand respect. I have read people say abortion is always muder. But technically there are several pregnancies that don't go beyond some cells divition. In the other hand people say, i favor those who are born. But premature childs also exists. That argument seems to me as a easy way out, and a inhuman stance.
A side note. As a religious person i despite fundamentalism. It is a malicious overgrowth, a cancer. It extend the dogma, the core on any belief (i am using the original concept here), to every consideration. God say so.
As consequence some religious people think they don't have to logically articulate their ideas. Contrary to thousand of years of real theology and philosophy. And some other people think religious people don't have ethics concerns besides a religious mandate. It kills the principle of human beings being able to tell good and evil by theirselves, at image of God.
As a very side note, the ensoulment of the body has always being a theme of debate. And while the doctrine is life is precious since conception it doesn't mean there is a soul or human being yet. It is a very complicated topic.
If you don't think the GOP majority (which there will be after the November elections) are going to attempt a federal abortion ban, you're kidding yourself
I am with Voltaire when I think of the left in this country.
“I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: Oh Lord, make my enemies ridiculous. And God granted it."
Glad you mentioned that every other country has WAY more stringent policies on abortion than the US. We were an outlier.
Sorry Erik. This is most definitely NOT a win for democracy.
There are certain rights, like the right to own slaves, that should NOT be subject to the whim of state governments.
Forced pregnancy and childbirth are nothing but enslavement of women as birthing slaves. A tradition deeply connected to slavery as slave owners would empregnate their women and girl slaves for profit.
And let's not forget wealthy, mostly white, pregnant women will ALWAYS get any abortion they want.... to 9 months if they so desire.
It's poor women of color who will once again be the victims. The same ones that disproportionately die in childbirth.
Almost no one is talking about the devastating, sometimes permanent, medical consequences of childbirth--- something no MAN would allow against his will.
It's disgraceful.
It doesn't have to be a "win" for democracy. That is far from my point. This is MORE democracy, however. Roe v Wade was a decision made by a handful of judges. Now the issue of abortion is returning to the voters and the states. That is more democratic even if it also means more people have their rights infringed upon. Democracy doesn't equal more rights. A true democracy simply means the will of the majority. Majority rules often OFTEN infringes on rights of the minority and individual.
And yes, wealthy women will have the option to go wherever. Even middle class women. Here in AZ we have Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico all within driving distance. Poor people always pay the higher price.
But again, this is the trouble with democracies. The court made a rule that it later overturned. If we want abortion rights enshrined in our public life we need to vote for leaders who will make changes to the Constitution and to state constitutions. That's the only way to make it stick.
My friend’s a doctor and performs up to 3 incest-related abortions on underage females a week. On a personal level, having an A leaves an emotional scar that never heals. My only comfort comes from knowing how shitty my life would be with an unwanted child.
Damn, that sounds like a rough gig.
Toats. Most are passed through as “D&C post incomplete miscarriage” anyway, so no law can get in the way.
This is issue is one that is very complicated for any dialogue. But also necessary.
I do believe in compromise. Because society is a contract, and that means to acknowledge laws are never gonna be a complete reflection of our own morals. The limits on abortion are a compromise, the idea that you are actually having to fake a decision and there is no good correct option.
Forcing our will in someone else body is wrong, but there is a moment in when life demand respect. I have read people say abortion is always muder. But technically there are several pregnancies that don't go beyond some cells divition. In the other hand people say, i favor those who are born. But premature childs also exists. That argument seems to me as a easy way out, and a inhuman stance.
A side note. As a religious person i despite fundamentalism. It is a malicious overgrowth, a cancer. It extend the dogma, the core on any belief (i am using the original concept here), to every consideration. God say so.
As consequence some religious people think they don't have to logically articulate their ideas. Contrary to thousand of years of real theology and philosophy. And some other people think religious people don't have ethics concerns besides a religious mandate. It kills the principle of human beings being able to tell good and evil by theirselves, at image of God.
As a very side note, the ensoulment of the body has always being a theme of debate. And while the doctrine is life is precious since conception it doesn't mean there is a soul or human being yet. It is a very complicated topic.
If you don't think the GOP majority (which there will be after the November elections) are going to attempt a federal abortion ban, you're kidding yourself
Hmmm, I wonder. I think that would be a pretty tough sell.